Wunnerful Wunnerful "Socialized Medicine" - UK Falls Into The Pit

[26xh.0718]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13564893/Shocking-lack-NHS-care-revealed-E-nurses-laugh-not-hitting-targets-patient-waits-46-HOURS-attention-undercover-footage-leaves-stroke-expert-disbelief-unacceptable-practices.html

Nurses at an NHS Accident and Emergency department have been
caught on film laughing about how they weren't hitting targets
after they admitted one of their patients had already waited
46 hours for care.

The shocking state of NHS care was revealed after a Channel
4 Dispatches reporter went undercover at the Royal Shrewsbury
Hospital's A&E, posing as a trainee healthcare assistant.

In a documentary shown this evening, nurses were caught
laughing about their failure at 'hitting targets' - as
the programme's footage left an expert in disbelief at
the 'unacceptable' practices.

. . .

They laugh, you DIE.

But it WAS an unsupportable system. Some of us
SAID SO for a LONG time ... yet the NHS True
Believers IGNORED it all.

Look ... the post WW2 economic picture CHANGED
a great deal. Promise of plenty, more and more,
became "China", economic disintegration, worse
and worse cheap imported "help" and -ists
sucking more and more out of the biz/industrial/
venture-capital equation.

It's not much better in the EU at this point.

Yet SOME in the USA want to EMULATE all this.

I had to visit an American ER recently. Got an
eval in about 10 minutes, two scans about 30
minutes after, meds and a prescription a few
hours after. Nothing rotted away. The PRICE
was a BIT high, but not AWFUL and the MediCare
program picked up about 2/3rds of that.

That's CAPITALIST medicine. It's good, it's
affordable, it's QUICK and ACCURATE. There
are endless qualified providers - little BS.

And what I paid into MediCare is a FRACTION of
what Brits paid in - and get NOTHING for.

Hey, that's the idiots and pipe-dreams you kept
voting for, so that's what you GET. You'll
get minimal sympathy from me. The dreadful
colonials DID have a better plan here.

[Siri Cruise]

Post by 26xh.0718
Nurses at an NHS Accident and Emergency department have been
caught on film laughing about how they weren't hitting targets
after they admitted one of their patients had already waited
46 hours for care.

How many hours without NHS?

[pothead]

Post by 26xh.0718
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13564893/Shocking-lack-NHS-care-revealed-E-nurses-laugh-not-hitting-targets-patient-waits-46-HOURS-attention-undercover-footage-leaves-stroke-expert-disbelief-unacceptable-practices.html
Nurses at an NHS Accident and Emergency department have been
caught on film laughing about how they weren't hitting targets
after they admitted one of their patients had already waited
46 hours for care.
The shocking state of NHS care was revealed after a Channel
4 Dispatches reporter went undercover at the Royal Shrewsbury
Hospital's A&E, posing as a trainee healthcare assistant.
In a documentary shown this evening, nurses were caught
laughing about their failure at 'hitting targets' - as
the programme's footage left an expert in disbelief at
the 'unacceptable' practices.
. . .
They laugh, you DIE.
But it WAS an unsupportable system. Some of us
SAID SO for a LONG time ... yet the NHS True
Believers IGNORED it all.
Look ... the post WW2 economic picture CHANGED
a great deal. Promise of plenty, more and more,
became "China", economic disintegration, worse
and worse cheap imported "help" and -ists
sucking more and more out of the biz/industrial/
venture-capital equation.
It's not much better in the EU at this point.
Yet SOME in the USA want to EMULATE all this.
I had to visit an American ER recently. Got an
eval in about 10 minutes, two scans about 30
minutes after, meds and a prescription a few
hours after. Nothing rotted away. The PRICE
was a BIT high, but not AWFUL and the MediCare
program picked up about 2/3rds of that.
That's CAPITALIST medicine. It's good, it's
affordable, it's QUICK and ACCURATE. There
are endless qualified providers - little BS.
And what I paid into MediCare is a FRACTION of
what Brits paid in - and get NOTHING for.
Hey, that's the idiots and pipe-dreams you kept
voting for, so that's what you GET. You'll
get minimal sympathy from me. The dreadful
colonials DID have a better plan here.

People travel from socialized medicine countries to the USA all the time for procedures.
The problem, both with GB and soon to be the USA and other countries, is that the illegal migrants
are flooding the hospitals as they literally use the ER as their primary care physician.
This is going to eventually cause the entire system to collapse.

[John Doe]

Post by 26xh.0718
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13564893/Shocking-lack-NHS-care-revealed-E-nurses-laugh-not-hitting-targets-patient-waits-46-HOURS-attention-undercover-footage-leaves-stroke-expert-disbelief-unacceptable-practices.html
Nurses at an NHS Accident and Emergency department have been
caught on film laughing about how they weren't hitting targets
after they admitted one of their patients had already waited
46 hours for care.
The shocking state of NHS care was revealed after a Channel
4 Dispatches reporter went undercover at the Royal Shrewsbury
Hospital's A&E, posing as a trainee healthcare assistant.
In a documentary shown this evening, nurses were caught
laughing about their failure at 'hitting targets' - as
the programme's footage left an expert in disbelief at
the 'unacceptable' practices.
. . .
  They laugh, you DIE.
  But it WAS an unsupportable system. Some of us
  SAID SO for a LONG time ... yet the NHS True
  Believers IGNORED it all.
  Look ... the post WW2 economic picture CHANGED
  a great deal. Promise of plenty, more and more,
  became "China", economic disintegration, worse
  and worse cheap imported "help" and -ists
  sucking more and more out of the biz/industrial/
  venture-capital equation.
  It's not much better in the EU at this point.
  Yet SOME in the USA want to EMULATE all this.
  I had to visit an American ER recently. Got an
  eval in about 10 minutes, two scans about 30
  minutes after, meds and a prescription a few
  hours after. Nothing rotted away. The PRICE
  was a BIT high, but not AWFUL and the MediCare
  program picked up about 2/3rds of that.
  That's CAPITALIST medicine. It's good, it's
  affordable, it's QUICK and ACCURATE. There
  are endless qualified providers - little BS.
  And what I paid into MediCare is a FRACTION of
  what Brits paid in - and get NOTHING for.
  Hey, that's the idiots and pipe-dreams you kept
  voting for, so that's what you GET. You'll
  get minimal sympathy from me. The dreadful
  colonials DID have a better plan here.

The NHS was actually doing pretty well until years back the Conservative
party decided to dismantle it by diverting funds elsewhere.

[soup]

Post by John Doe
The NHS was actually doing pretty well until years back the Conservative
party decided to dismantle it by diverting funds elsewhere.

Who are these clowns criticizng other countries health care systems when
the USA's is in a bigger mess? They debate like children and must be
idiots.

https://time.com/6281957/american-health-care-is-broken-major-hospitals-
solution/

American Health Care Is Broken. Major Hospitals Need to Be Part of the
Solution

American health care is broken. And American health care systems must
transform radically to lead the repair.

Let’s first look at the data: The U.S. now spends more than $4 trillion a
year on health care. That’s nearly 20% of gross domestic product. Yet U.S.
life expectancy lags literally dozens of other nations—including Portugal,
Slovenia, and Turkey—by as much as seven years. If trends continue, we will
drop to 64th in the world in life expectancy by 2040, though we will
continue to spend significantly more per capita than nearly any other
nation.

Diagnosing this failure is not difficult. Nearly all the money we spend on
health care goes to pay for medical interventions. But clinical care is
responsible for at most 20% of health outcomes. The overwhelming majority
of factors that determine an individual’s health are embedded in the world
around them: How many bus transfers they need to reach a store that sells
fresh vegetables. Whether the windows in their workplace let in light and
fresh, clean air. How often they face the stress and pain of discrimination
because of the color of their skin.

These are the social drivers of health—and for far too long, our health
care systems have largely ignored them.
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They’ve ignored them, in part, in pursuit of profit. Billing for cancer
treatments makes money. Using institutional clout to demand sidewalks and
parks and streetlights in poor communities does not.

There’s a myopia, too, built into the system. A recent analysis of board
members at top-ranked hospitals in the U.S. found that fewer than 15% of
their board members were health care professionals. Nearly 57% were from
the financial and business sectors, mostly private equity, wealth
management, and banking. They are accustomed to looking at spreadsheets,
not the worry lines etched into patients’ faces, and their decisions
reflect that experience.

Read More: Why So Many Americans Are Dying So Young

This status quo is no longer acceptable.

Hospitals and health care systems have enormous wealth. The biggest—even
those technically listed as non-profits—have billions in cash and
investments on their balance sheets, and some rang up record surpluses
during the pandemic. Health care systems also have enormous clout: They’re
often among the biggest employers in a region and a source of substantial
political donations.

It’s time to use that wealth and that clout to tackle the social drivers of
health. Hospitals and health care systems must mobilize to treat—and
ultimately, prevent—diseases caused by poverty, inequality, racism, and
loneliness just as aggressively as they mobilize to attack a cancer with
sophisticated drugs and surgeries.

There are some promising models for this work.

Kaiser Permanente has pledged $400 million to a social impact investment
fund that is on track to create 30,000 units of affordable housing by 2030.
The fund will also support economic development to in low-income
communities. In Portland, Ore., six large health care systems have teamed
up to build almost 400 apartments — which are supported with extensive case
management services—for people who had no shelter or were at risk of losing
their housing. Similar projects have been launched by hospital and health
care systems in Denver, Toronto, and elsewhere.

Other hospitals have focused on improving access to nutritious meals by
launching food pharmacies stocked with fresh produce or by offering free
cooking classes.

These are welcome initiatives, but they are only the start. To change
health in America, every profitable health care system must devote real
money—we suggest at least 2% of their annual budgets—to addressing a wide
range of social drivers. They must build authentic partnerships with
community groups to identify local needs and promote local solutions. And
they must raise up champions for this work in their C-suites and on their
boards.

It may seem unfair to ask hospitals to take on this work now, in the midst
of an epidemic of provider burnout and exhaustion.

But there is increasing evidence that disillusionment with the health care
system, rather than the sheer volume of work, is behind provider burnout.
And no wonder. Doctors and nurses pour their heart and soul into saving
patients from a medical crisis, only to send them back out to communities
where the lack of nutritious food, safe housing, affordable childcare,
mental health counseling and so much more all but guarantees another
medical crisis within weeks. It’s dispiriting and demoralizing.

In the short term, we hope a full-fledged effort by health care systems to
address the upstream drivers of poor health will energize providers. In the
long term, we are certain that it will pay real dividends in improving not
just the well-being of individuals, but also the welfare of our nation. The
poor state of Americans’ health takes a heavy toll on productivity, the
economy, and even national security. Tackling the social drivers of health
has the potential to unleash tremendous growth.

Where to start? One of us has previously proposed a “10 teams challenge”
for health care systems. Here, we add one more area of focus to that
original framework.

This list below raises an obvious question: Do hospitals have any business
working to bolster voting rights or to reform the prison system? Our
unequivocal answer: Absolutely, they do, maybe not always as the leaders,
but as active and generous convenors and participants.

We recognize that we are proposing nothing less than a fundamental shift in
the business model of American health care. This will be hard work. It will
take decades. But it must be done. Any less is a dereliction of health
care’s duty.

Every hospital and health care system should put resources toward
measurable progress in:

Universal healthcare coverage, because access to regular preventive care is
a crucial first step to promoting well-being.
Food security, to ensure everyone has access to healthy and nutritious
food.
Housing security, including evidence-based methods for ending chronic
homelessness.
Health care and social support for immigrants, including the 10 million
undocumented migrants in the U.S., who often lack access to preventive
care.
A criminal justice system built on healing and restoration, which would go
a long way toward addressing mental illness and substance abuse.
Decarbonization of health care, because the industry is responsible for
about 8.5% of the world’s greenhouse gas emissions.
Voting rights, to ensure that every adult citizen has a voice in selecting
policy makers who will listen to the community’s needs.
Strong schools, because education levels are highly correlated with health.
High-quality support for pregnant people and babies, to dramatically reduce
the toll of maternal mortality and give infants a good start in life.
Social supports for the elderly to end the loneliness and isolation that is
a significant driver of infirmity.
An end to gun violence, which destroys far too many lives.

[26xh.0718]

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Post by John Doe
The NHS was actually doing pretty well until years back the Conservative
party decided to dismantle it by diverting funds elsewhere.

Who are these clowns criticizng other countries health care systems when
the USA's is in a bigger mess? They debate like children and must be
idiots.

Wow ... looking HARD for EXCUSES.

It's not the political parties, it's the
underlying SYSTEM, the underlying LIES
about How Things Can Be.

The UK NHS is yesterday's pipe dream. It
was barely reasonable at inception and in
the current socioeconomic reality is just
NOT sustainable. It IS gonna totally crash
no matter what. THEN what ?

"Free" stuff is the Greatest Lie ever pushed
by the CommieLibs - equaled only by the sheer
level of IDIOCY required to BELIEVE that lie.

Oh, and the USA system really is NOT bad.
When something bad happens to you ... well ...
we may be SEEING you .......